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Curious... Nissan v8 into a infinity v8

Postby Farmer21 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:54 pm

Ok so I have enjoyed my 05 for a little over a year now. This site is a great site to learn to fix issues get deals, and what works and what doesn't. But there is one thing that I haven't seen discussed yet and maybe that's cause I didn't search far enough back. The nissan 5.6( vk56de) with 310hp and 388 ft lbs. to the infinity's 5.6 (vk56vd) 420 hp and 417 ft lbs.

After reading up on them it looks as if the only difference mechanically with the engines are the fact that the vd has a system called the VVEL ( variable valve event and lift system which is a a direct injection system. Different throttle body and emissions things( not sure what all)

Now I'm no mechanic just a power junkie and I enjoy seeing things that haven't been done And I'm wondering with a little research and ingenuity. Could it be done? I've read these motors are in the some v8 super cars and have up to 600 hp and 450 torque. I know with that power we can get into discussions on rear ends, tranys, and emissions. But could it be done? Cause that would be just ridiculous.


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Postby unmeloy » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:42 pm

anything can be done with enough money...

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Postby smj999smj » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:19 pm

Ditto on the money...however, Nissan's variable valve event and lift system and direct fuel injection are two entirely different things. VVEL is a variable timing system that uses a DC stepper motor and links that can create continuous and variable adjustment to the valve lift. Direct injection is a type of fuel injection where the fuel is sprayed at very high pressure directly into the combustion chamber. Even if the motor were a direct bolt in, you would need the ECM and harness to complete the swap and I would imagine that would create a whole lot of issues of other systems that are controlled by or communicate with the ECM, keeping in mind that the R51's use CAN (controlled area network). If you wanted that kind of power, it would be a lot less headache and money to get a supercharger from Stillen Motorsports and stick with the engine that is already in the Pathfinder.

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Postby Farmer21 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:14 am

Ok and I know that ecu, tuning. And lots of money come into affect. But my question is are the internals of both engines the same? Could if found a wrecked infinity. "Bolt" up being same blocks. I know superchargers would be easier but it cool to see something different.

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Postby Farmer21 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:16 am

Oh and I'm not looking to do this to my 05 but if I had a 5.6 pathfinder. I would be interested lol

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Postby smj999smj » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:17 pm

It's not just a matter of ECM tuning, but the ability of the ECM to communicate will all of the other control units, including the instrument cluster and transmission. CAN communication adds a whole other headache to deal with than the typical engine/harness/ECM swap. As far as the engine, both are in the VK-series engine family and are of the same displacement, so the bottom end should be similar. The big difference will be in the cylinder heads, valvetrain and intake, along with the obvious wiring harness, ecm, emission controls and devices and I would imagine the fuel pumps are probably different, as well. While I can appreciate the "something different" aspect, it's an awful lot of work and expense just to add the "different factor" and a 110 HP to a Pathfinder. It would likely be cheaper to just get an Infiniti with the VK56VD already in it. Of course, if you have that much of a desire along with the unlimited income and time to do such a swap, go for it!

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Postby Zen_master » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:19 pm

Would be curious what transmission is being mated to the new VK56 motor. Nissan would be behind the times if they were still using the 5-speed gearbox found in the V8 R51.

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Postby smj999smj » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:58 pm

The 2013 QX56 has a 7-speed automatic that lists for over $11,000.

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Postby Zen_master » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:01 pm

smj999smj wrote:The 2013 QX56 has a 7-speed automatic that lists for over $11,000.
Love the creature comforts of the new QX56 but the old body style was better. I'm guessing that figure is for a new trans, not salvage?

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Postby smj999smj » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:07 am

Yeah, that's the list price for a new trans.

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Postby NmexMAX » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:16 pm

The new QX has pretty much taken the architecture of the new Patrol. Both of which I would rather have previous versions of.


Any idea of what differential is used out back?

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Postby smj999smj » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:13 pm

2WD and AWD QX both use an R230 open carrier with a 2.937:1 gear ratio. I would assume they use a brake-bias electronic limited slip like the R51's.


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