Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
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silverarrow27
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Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
I'd go with KYB or you can always go with the entry level coilovers that a couple shops sell. I think they're roughly around $600-800 for the entry level.
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
FYI - These guys say you can do up to a 2 inch lift with the Bilstein 4600 Rear Shocks that I have installed. The 24-197434.
https://performancelifts.com/bilstein-2 ... shock.html
https://performancelifts.com/bilstein-2 ... shock.html
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
I also spoke with PRG Products. They sell the Pathfinder Bilstein Extended Rear 4600 Shocks that support up to a 2 inch lift. It has to be part #24-197434 to support the 2 inch lift. That's what I have. That's a very credible source, so I am going with the 2 inch lift using these shocks.
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silverarrow27
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Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
Nice, let us know how it rides after you get your lift installed.
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
Hmmm,
this is making me wonder.
My Moog rear springs gave me what looks like a 1.5-2 inch lift but I only have the KYB ajust-a-shocks on it, not Bilsteins.
Are they any good for that lift, or can I expect lots of wear on the shocks?
this is making me wonder.
My Moog rear springs gave me what looks like a 1.5-2 inch lift but I only have the KYB ajust-a-shocks on it, not Bilsteins.
Are they any good for that lift, or can I expect lots of wear on the shocks?
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
My Moog springs raised the rear visually, but it was something like 3/4 inch, in line with what other people observed. And about the same as the 5-7 psi I always kept in my air bags before with the stock springs to keep the rear end from wallowing.
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
Hmm perhaps the lift is less than it looks.
but it definitely seems more than 3/4 of an inch to me.
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
I think I measured mine at the time but now that was a few years ago? If you see a Pathfinder with a 2" lift, it's obvious this isn't that. And when I had one side done it wasn't that large of a tilt. I can verify it's pretty much exactly the same lift I get out of 5-7psi in the air bags though...or just enough additional spring rate to keep the bottom from sagging 
I did not want to lift my truck at all but higher (k) and linear spring means a bit less sag so...physics are unavoidable.
Most important, I've driven behind my truck and behind plenty of other stock trucks. Mine does not wallow, sway back and forth, or bottom out over bumps, whether before with the small assist from AirLift or now with Moog.
I did not want to lift my truck at all but higher (k) and linear spring means a bit less sag so...physics are unavoidable.Most important, I've driven behind my truck and behind plenty of other stock trucks. Mine does not wallow, sway back and forth, or bottom out over bumps, whether before with the small assist from AirLift or now with Moog.
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
Here was my misadventure, where I had to sawzall through one of the bolts and knock out a bushing in the knuckle:
topic16593.html
At the time I thought it was between half an inch and an inch, with completely new springs and seats. Still think it's about that, and the seats should have settled by now. When I get next to other Pathfinders mine is not obviously taller, but I will see next time I park next to one.
topic16593.html
At the time I thought it was between half an inch and an inch, with completely new springs and seats. Still think it's about that, and the seats should have settled by now. When I get next to other Pathfinders mine is not obviously taller, but I will see next time I park next to one.
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
Great info!
I wish I would have measured mine.
but eyeballing it, the rear gap looks 1.5-2 inch bigger than before (and I also have slightly larger tires now)
Keep in mind this is with 265-65-18s in lieu of the stock 265-60 18s.
Also the front springs were still stock then (they are new Moogs now and also appear slightly lifted though perhaps lesssso than the rear)
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I wish I would have measured mine.
but eyeballing it, the rear gap looks 1.5-2 inch bigger than before (and I also have slightly larger tires now)
Keep in mind this is with 265-65-18s in lieu of the stock 265-60 18s.
Also the front springs were still stock then (they are new Moogs now and also appear slightly lifted though perhaps lesssso than the rear)
topic20940.html
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
The Moog 81119 (4WD rear) springs are 353 lbs/inch, and the 81280 (4WD front) springs are 450 lbs/inch. Moog lists the 81280's as replacements for all three truck types in 4WD varieties.
All of the lift springs I can find start around 480 lbs/inch and work their way up. There's a ton of conjecture on the Frontier and Xterra websites as to what the stock spring rates are...most of them seem to believe it's either 500 lbs/inch or 480 lbs/inch. But none of them can be correct looking at all of the listed spring rates I can find
If I still had the stock ones I could take some calipers to them and calculate the spring rate but they are loooooong gone!
The front was a tiny bit firmer and a little higher on mine, but not much. I suspect the stock springs are indeed around 450 front. Rear OEM are clearly less than Moog's 353 lbs/inch.
All of the lift springs I can find start around 480 lbs/inch and work their way up. There's a ton of conjecture on the Frontier and Xterra websites as to what the stock spring rates are...most of them seem to believe it's either 500 lbs/inch or 480 lbs/inch. But none of them can be correct looking at all of the listed spring rates I can find
If I still had the stock ones I could take some calipers to them and calculate the spring rate but they are loooooong gone!The front was a tiny bit firmer and a little higher on mine, but not much. I suspect the stock springs are indeed around 450 front. Rear OEM are clearly less than Moog's 353 lbs/inch.
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
I have the Moog 81117 on the rear, they are listed by most ( but not all) websites as fitment for the R51 4x4 V8.ShipFixer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:34 amThe Moog 81119 (4WD rear) springs are 353 lbs/inch, and the 81280 (4WD front) springs are 450 lbs/inch. Moog lists the 81280's as replacements for all three truck types in 4WD varieties.
All of the lift springs I can find start around 480 lbs/inch and work their way up. There's a ton of conjecture on the Frontier and Xterra websites as to what the stock spring rates are...most of them seem to believe it's either 500 lbs/inch or 480 lbs/inch. But none of them can be correct looking at all of the listed spring rates I can find
The front was a tiny bit firmer and a little higher on mine, but not much. I suspect the stock springs are indeed around 450 front. Rear OEM are clearly less than Moog's 353 lbs/inch.
The V8 r51 despite being heavier than the V6 truck is listed by Nissan as having a higher payload so I expect them to be stiffer Moogs.
On the fronts have the Moog ST8615 assemblies (strut plus spring)
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
81117 is also 353 lbs/inch. Front 81276 is 450 lbs/inch. Not super surprising to me it's same/same...
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
For clarity, Do you have the Moog 81117 on the rear of a V6 Pathy, or a V8 Pathy? I see both in your signature. I have been trying to figure out if the Moog replacement V8 Pathy rear springs can be used on the V6, and if they would provide more lift than the Moog 81119 that I currently have installed.palmerwmd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:40 amI have the Moog 81117 on the rear, they are listed by most ( but not all) websites as fitment for the R51 4x4 V8.ShipFixer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:34 amThe Moog 81119 (4WD rear) springs are 353 lbs/inch, and the 81280 (4WD front) springs are 450 lbs/inch. Moog lists the 81280's as replacements for all three truck types in 4WD varieties.
All of the lift springs I can find start around 480 lbs/inch and work their way up. There's a ton of conjecture on the Frontier and Xterra websites as to what the stock spring rates are...most of them seem to believe it's either 500 lbs/inch or 480 lbs/inch. But none of them can be correct looking at all of the listed spring rates I can find
The front was a tiny bit firmer and a little higher on mine, but not much. I suspect the stock springs are indeed around 450 front. Rear OEM are clearly less than Moog's 353 lbs/inch.
The V8 r51 despite being heavier than the V6 truck is listed by Nissan as having a higher payload so I expect them to be stiffer Moogs.
On the fronts have the Moog ST8615 assemblies (strut plus spring)
Thanks!
Re: Any/Max Lift with Bilstein 4600 Shocks?
Neeginan,Neeginan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:00 amFor clarity, Do you have the Moog 81117 on the rear of a V6 Pathy, or a V8 Pathy? I see both in your signature. I have been trying to figure out if the Moog replacement V8 Pathy rear springs can be used on the V6, and if they would provide more lift than the Moog 81119 that I currently have installed.palmerwmd wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:40 amI have the Moog 81117 on the rear, they are listed by most ( but not all) websites as fitment for the R51 4x4 V8.ShipFixer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:34 amThe Moog 81119 (4WD rear) springs are 353 lbs/inch, and the 81280 (4WD front) springs are 450 lbs/inch. Moog lists the 81280's as replacements for all three truck types in 4WD varieties.
All of the lift springs I can find start around 480 lbs/inch and work their way up. There's a ton of conjecture on the Frontier and Xterra websites as to what the stock spring rates are...most of them seem to believe it's either 500 lbs/inch or 480 lbs/inch. But none of them can be correct looking at all of the listed spring rates I can find
The front was a tiny bit firmer and a little higher on mine, but not much. I suspect the stock springs are indeed around 450 front. Rear OEM are clearly less than Moog's 353 lbs/inch.
The V8 r51 despite being heavier than the V6 truck is listed by Nissan as having a higher payload so I expect them to be stiffer Moogs.
On the fronts have the Moog ST8615 assemblies (strut plus spring)
Thanks!
The Moog 81117 are on the rear of my 2008 V8 Pathy.
They appeared noticeably longer than the , admittedly old+worn, stock V8 springs they replaced.
I no longer have my V6 Pathy only the little brother of the R51, a 2011 Xterra as a 2nd vehicle.
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