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This. Mine is better after lots of work on shocks and whatnot but it's still a truck. I bought mine because I loved the legroom and wanted a giant box to carry extra-large size mountain bikes without futzing with taking them apart, but there's other ways to do that.DanJetta wrote:I tend to be somewhat negative about my cars, so take my comment with a grain of salt.
I probably wouldn't buy my Pathfinder again for the main reason that it's more of a truck than an SUV. When you compare it to similar manufacturers, the Pathfinder is rough, unrefined, technologically lacking, not very thought out, lacking in the most basic of convenience features and the features it does have seem to have been thrown in as an afterthought (if you want specific examples, I can give you a thousand). It's fun to take off road or to use it for utility applications -- and I love that I'm never worried about beating it up or having it stolen -- but as an every day driver it's exhausting to drive. When someone new rides in it, the topic of conversation is always how rough it is and how uncomfortable the seats are (I have the leather seats, which have zero support).
I was fortunate that most of the nickel and diming occurred under warranty. The things that didn't for me were the rear a/c and whatnot.Also, something else to keep in mind, my Pathfinder started nickel-and-diming me around 75K miles, which, I hear, is about right.
Out of curiosity, what were the features that werent available in the '12 that was in your '01 vw?DanJetta wrote:...lacking in the most basic of convenience features...
As an example, many of the most basic convenience features in my 2001 P.O.S. VW were still not available in the 2012 top-of-the-line Pathfinders.
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I also had a 2001 Jetta diesel. It, like many German cars had some nifty features that many vehicles still don't have. That being said....they weren't what I consider basic conveniences. They were more "huh" features. A few I can think of....roll down all the windows with the key, power folding mirrors (common on Euro cars), power fuel door, adjustable center console, dimming side mirrors, lane change signal. Overall the two things I miss about the Jetta are GOBS of head/leg room and 50mpg.iheartmypathy wrote:Out of curiosity, what were the features that werent available in the '12 that was in your '01 vw?DanJetta wrote:...lacking in the most basic of convenience features...
As an example, many of the most basic convenience features in my 2001 P.O.S. VW were still not available in the 2012 top-of-the-line Pathfinders.
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This post made me laugh a little. While your point is well-taken, I do find some curiosities in your post. I'm not exactly sure where you're located, but the 2001 Jetta definitely didn't have HIDs and a 6-speed auto in America back in 2001. Secondly, you mentioned these things make you feel better about reliability- the MK4 Jetta is a notorious crap box when it comes to reliability. I had one- a 2001 Jetta GLX VR6. Let's just say I'm not surprised the reliability ratings mirrored my experiences with that car.DanJetta wrote:Whether you'll be happy with the Pathy depends largely on what you want out of it. If you're happy with your Xterra, you'll love the Pathfinder.
And I agree that once you fix the barrage of known problems, you should have many good years.
Here's a list of some of those convenience features I'm comparing that I had on my 2001 Jetta Wagon that do not come on even a 2012 Pathfinder (and I totally agree that most of these are "huh" features... well put!):
- Auto-locking doors (programmable by speed)
- Auto unlocking doors (when you pull the inside handle) - when I lock my Pathy's doors, people always fumble when they have to get out
- Auto closing sunroof (when you turn the car off)
- Auto window/sunroof open from key fob
- Key fob/key combo (rather than a separate key)
- Security chip in key fob
- Climate control that held temperature precisely where you set it
- Hatch cinch motor
- Locking fuel door
- Front hood struts
- Auto blinker (touch to blink 3 times)
- Lighted glove box
- A TON of hidden interior rear storage compartments
- Auto-leveling HID lights
- 6-Speed automatic transmission with Tiptronic
- Heated seats with 5 levels of control
- Bucket seats designed to hold the human body
- Alarm sensor for the hood as well as the fuel door
If you were to compare the 2005 VW (any model), you'll get even more:
- Multi-mode 7-speed driver-adaptable transmission with true Tiptronic
- Suspension that makes even downtown Baltimore drivable
- Freeze warning
- Umbrella compartment
- Up-facing radiating air vent
- Night-time interior ambient lighting (lights the compartment just enough to find stuff in the dark without having to turn the map lights on)
- Windshield cleaning feature that wipes 3 times after spraying, waits 3 seconds and wipes one more time
- Side mirror turn signals (this is huge when you're in bumper-to-bumper traffic)
- Rain-sensing windshield wipers
My point with this list is that the Pathfinder is a bit behind other manufacturers in terms of technology and making the ride a driver-centric experience. That said, many people are not interested in these small creature comforts and don't want them. Personally, I appreciate them and knowing that so much thought was put into the small things makes me feel good about the bigger things like safety and reliability.
As for gas mileage, you'll definitely do better with the Pathfinder. I have a V8 and I get about 19-20 on the highway (when it's flat) and 15-16 in beltway traffic.