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Ok, now I recall that. I get a "page not found" from Offroad Gorilla, but Google still has the cached version of that page for the 7029 (Frontier/Pathfinder/Xterra version).smj999smj wrote:I had heard about it and was directed to Offroad Gorilla's site almost a year ago and they had a notice that due to problems, they were no longer selling them. Stillen also stopped selling them around the same time.
I appreciate in depth answer. Feel confident nowsmj999smj wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:45 amNissan has been using long-life (green) and extended long-life (blue) coolant for years; the blue coolant started being phased-in around 2010. They are actually Pentosin Pentafrost A2 (green) and Pentafrost A3 (blue), respectively. You can find the Pentosin in Autozone stores and some other part stores, as well as from Rockauto.com. The green coolant is sold as a concentrate (mix with distilled water) and the blue is sold only as a pre-mix. Green has an initial service interval of 90,000 miles and then at 60,000 mile intervals, thereafter. Blue is actually good for up to 135,000 miles, but Nissan calls for 105,000 mile intervals. They are completely cross-compatible, however, service life of the blue coolant will be lessened as per the amount of green coolant in it. It's hard to get all of the coolant out of the system, especially if you have rear heat. Unless you have some severe under-servicing issues with the coolant system, I wouldn't recommend using a chemical flush. If you replace the radiator and just drain the system, you will replace about 2-gallons of coolant. That should be fine, however, if you want to get more out and are bit of a glutton for punishment, there is a drain on the passenger side of the block that's a pain to get to, IIRC. Zerex Asian Blue coolant is a pretty good aftermarket alternative for the Nissan blue, as well.
if you have 2011, you are most likely clear of any radiator problems. 2011 and 2012 years comes up around this forum quiet often and it looks like it's clear of pretty much all the bugs
1) Welcome to your new home away from homeKFB wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:38 am1)
Hi All. I'm new here, and this is my first post. I've got a 2008 Nissan Frontier automatic that has about 25,000 miles on it.
2)From my research so far, the problem seems to be a defective radiator where an internal cooler inside the radiator responsible for cooling the transmission fluid is defective, specifically "the metal tubes that separate engine coolant from transmission fluid crack over time. Cooant and transmission fluid mix through these cracks and subsequently cause transmission failure."
3) I also spoke with several Nissan dealership, and one tech confirmed that the problem is a defective radiator and telling me that Nissan Corporate's official position is recommending replacement with the Advantage Value Line radiator (or even an OEM if I prefer) which is consistent with the problem as outlined above.
4) However, a couple other Nissan dealerships including the one where I will likely have the work done recommended an "External Cooler Kit" to completely bypass the radiator which should definitely keep radiator fluid out of the transmission. They said that even a new non-defective radiator would not guarantee that SMOD wouldn't happen as the problem was the seal/seals BETWEEN the radiator and transmission.
5) Presumably one COULD still have this same problem in the future if the new non-defective radiator failed. Although this should be unlikely for a new non-defective radiator, given that anything can potentially fail, if it did fail, then the same bad stuff (SMOD) would happen, new radiator or not.
So, even with a new radiator, one is not guaranteed to prevent SMOD although, again, it would seem to be much less likely. Am I correct in this assumption?
6)Also, if the problem really is the seal or seals between the radiator, then I can see how a new radiator would not really fix the problem, and one would almost have to go with an "External Cooler Kit." And even if a defective radiator is the problem, would one be better off to go with the "External Cooler Kit" rather than replacing a defective radiator given that even a new non-defective radiator COULD fail even though such failure would be unlikely?
7)Help. I'm not sure what to do as there is so much conflicting information out there. I'm not even completely sure what the real problem is at this point either (defective radiator or seal/s BETWEEN radiator and transmission?).
8)I'm also concerned that if I go with an external cooler kit, my truck could run too hot or too cold thereby decreasing the life of the transmission which I certainly do not want to do; however, I also don't want SMOD either.
9)In response to my concern about an external cooling kit not being sufficient to cooling the transmission, my local tech said that if anything, the external cooler kit would keep the transmission even cooler which would actually be better, although from all that I've read on here, there is an optimal temperature range (175 to 200 degrees) and that you don't want the transmission to be too cold either.
10)So would the external cooler kit make the truck run too cold? I live in West Virginia where we have four fairly distinct seasons (hot in the summer and cold in the winter).
11) I've also heard it mentioned on here that an external cooler can block the radiator or (auxiliary cooler/fan) which would restrict airflow thereby resulting in not enough cooling (no matter how cool the external cooler runs).
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p.s. I just noticed that this forum/section is for pathfinders and not frontiers, but the discussion seemed the most relevant to my questions when I was doing my research. Should I be posting in the truck forum of "NicoClub.com" instead of here, and it that a completely different forum (requiring new registration?), or are they all under the same umbrella? Thanks.
KFB
Your welcomeKFB wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:59 pmpalmerwmd,
1) Thanks for the welcome; this may very well be my new home away from home! I can't thank you enough for responding to my post and answering all of my questions! My fear was that after posting all of that that I would either get no response or a quick "Just do this..." Nice editing job too with the numberingThat even made it easier for me to follow as well.
2) From your response, it sounds like new radiator is the way to go. Also, I REALLY appreciated the explanation that even with a new non-defective radiator the SMOD could conceivably still happen if it failed too but that this would be so unlikely as to not even warrant concern, and that this could even affect other makes and models too. That was a big question that I had as well although hadn't included it in my post.
3) While I'm sure you're not a mind-reader, would you or anyone have any idea what a couple of Nissan technicians would have meant or what they might have been referring to when the said that the problem was the seal/s between the radiator and transmission (thereby recommending the "External Cooler Kit")?
4) I haven't driven my Fronty for about a month now, as the last time I drove it was about 10 miles to the local dealership to have the transmission fluid and/or radiator fluid tested for SMOD after just recently learning about this issue. They said it hadn't been affected, so I drove it straight home where it has now sat for the last month while I've continued researching this issue. I was leaning toward the external cooler kit, but after your response, in all likelihood, I'm going to go with a new radiator. Now it's just trying to figure out which model radiator (OEM, Value Line Advantage, or one of the others recommended on here (Thanks SMJ!). I like the idea of maybe getting a pretty good warranty with an OEM, but is that really worth it given that a warranty would only be for the radiator presumably and would not include transmission work in the unlikely event that the new radiator failed resulting in SMOD; however, that brings up another question, and that is: If a new radiator failed (again, although awfully unlikely, would that automatically result in SMOD, or would that only be if a certain section of the radiator failed?
5) I saw a youtube video where the technician tested for water in the radiator by heating the transmission fluid when looking for SMOD. While my dealership may have done this, I kind of doubt it. Is this necessary when checking the fluid, and should I insist that they do this? Thanks again!
sjm999smj,
Thanks for your detailed response as well! Again, I really appreciate that such nice knowledgeable folks as you and palmerwmd responded! From reading through this whole post, I gather that you were a Nissan technician at one time, so you really have the knowledge and experience. You've given me a lot to think about as well regarding choice of radiators. I'm going to read through both of your responses again, and I may have a few more questions after doing so, but you both have been extremely helpful, and I can't thank you enough. I really want to get this issue resolved so I can continue driving my Fronty again, and I feel like I'm now well on my way. Thanks!
KFB